One summer, I interviewed at a Literary Agency for a summer internship. They told me at the interview that, if I got in, I'd have to read all different kinds of manuscripts, from adventure to historical fiction to, yes, pornography. Believe it or not, they told me, there is such a thing as good pornography. I wanted to throw up. So when they asked me if I'd be interested working in their children's books department instead, I very readily said yes.She discusses the balance necessary and how people should think about approaching reading, TV, and the like while trying to maintain that balance. On the flip side, here's R' Horowitz discussing what happens when people take the other extreme:
The first part of that is more sad than anything else - we're talking about men who are willing and able to work, but due to their (lack of) education thanks to the frum community they grew up in, they simply will not be able to get a decent job. The latter part is more interesting, noting that sheltering does not seem to have the advantages it should, and that if anything, having more exposure would help them not only in terms of careers and the like but even in terms of staying healthy and religious. R' Horowitz even concludes with a message about poverty and how it undoubtedly a colossal risk factor in many areas, and that this sheltering causes poverty.A close friend of mine owns a business in an area with a large charedi population and is always looking to provide avrechim with jobs. His ‘entrance exam’ is rather simple. He gives prospective applicants a pad and paper and asks them to write two paragraphs in English expressing the reasons they would like to land a job in his company, and then to turn on a computer and type those lines. His thinking is that if an applicant cannot perform those two tasks, they are useless to him in his business. Suffice it to say that this would probably be my last column in Mishpacha if I shared with you the percentage of applicants he turns away because they cannot do that.
In more than twenty-five years of dealing with at-risk teens I have not noticed a lower drop-out rate among kids who are raised in more sheltered environments. In fact, my experience leads me to support the observation made by my colleague Reb Yonasan Rosenblum, in a number of columns in these pages over the past few years, that out-of-town children have a lower drop-out rate than those who are raised in very sheltered communities.
As with anything, a proper balance is necessary. Parents and educators should work on exposing kids and students in the proper way, and should take more confidence in their own ability to expose kids to subjects that include many shades of gray and explain how to approach them, rather than avoid them or whitewash them. It is far better to educate and allow people to decide for themselves what to pursue and what to avoid, and realize that with that education and self-awareness they'll more often than not make the right choice, than to hope that they never come across whatever issues may exist.
It is far better to educate and allow people to decide for themselves what to pursue and what to avoid, and realize that with that education and self-awareness they'll more often than not make the right choice, than to hope that they never come across whatever issues may exist.
ReplyDeleteMaybe a little humility would be good too. :-) There is a nonzero chance that those who go OTD are making the right choice.
Considering that almost nothing in the post is about staying on or going off the derech, I'm not sure why you assume that that was referring to it.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about? Exposing them to drugs and sex?
ReplyDeleteThat and anything else. Secular culture in general.
ReplyDeleteThe distance from secular culture in general is not merely to avoid going OTD, but that in and of itself much of it has little positive purpose.
ReplyDeleteAs with anything, a proper balance is necessary. Parents and educators should work on exposing kids and students in the proper way, and should take more confidence in their own ability to expose kids to subjects that include many shades of gray and explain how to approach them, rather than avoid them or whitewash them. It is far better to educate and allow people to decide for themselves what to pursue and what to avoid, and realize that with that education and self-awareness they'll more often than not make the right choice, than to hope that they never come across whatever issues may exist.
Exactly.
The distance from secular culture in general is not merely to avoid going OTD, but that in and of itself much of it has little positive purpose.
ReplyDeleteNow how could you possibly know that?
Do you disagree? Even from a secular perspective: Do TV, movies, whatever have an important value?
ReplyDeleteNo matter what, kids are going to get some exposure to undesirable influences. Parents need to speak up and discuss who they are and why they hold their values. Every day. You're right, Ezzie--ultimately each person will choose for him/herself, but will likely choose better with open discussion and clear guidelines from the beginning.
ReplyDeleteThere are two schools of thought about keeping poison in a house. The first school says lock away the poisons securely out of sight, never, ever expose children (or adults either for that matter)to their presence, and under no circumstances discuss that there is such a thing as poison. The problem with this approach is that unless you are planning on locking your children in the house so that they never visit any other house, they will have no idea of what the poison is when they may run across it, are drawn to the shiny bottles, and swallow the poison in large gulps.
ReplyDeleteThe second school of thought says tell your children about poison. Show them the types of bottles that need to be avoided. Talk about the affects of swallowing poison, some of which are slow-acting and slowly invade the system, overwhelming it. Make sure they know what poison can do to a person. In this way, wherever a person finds themselves they are armed with knowledge about what and what not to ingest.
The second school of thought is a better protective mechanism than the first. And perhaps we should also keep in mind that there are many substances that are perfectly innocuous or even very helpful if they are "taken as directed," but become poisonous when you overdose on them: two aspirin are prophyllactic; 8 aspirin can be deadly. Age can also make a difference. As little as one quart of skim milk given to children under the age of two can be fatal; their systems are too undeveloped to deal with certain substances that come in abundance in the skim milk. Yet, skim milk for adults does not have the same affect. The key is to know at what age the substance is likely not to cause harm.
And of course there is that old saying: "One man's meat is another man's poison."
Even from a secular perspective: Do TV, movies, whatever have an important value?
ReplyDeleteOf course they do. They're the dominant artistic form of our era.
You sound like the Muslims asking if any books other than the Koran have an important value. ;-)
JA - Huh? How does that mean they have an important value? By and large, most of secular culture is meaningless even within itself. From the POV of an Orthodox Jew, they're often not just meaningless, but negative. That's just silly.
ReplyDeleteNL - Thank you!
ProfK - Exactly.
ezzie:
ReplyDeleteI guess it depends on how one sees "important" and "value." Maybe you should talk to Chana about it.
The importance of TV and such lies in its ability to convey ideas. When it is doing that, it does serve an extremely important purpose. When it is conveying junk, it serves only a negative purpose - to melt your brain.
ReplyDeleteBy and large, most of secular culture is meaningless even within itself.
ReplyDeleteWait a minute...are you saying that (gasp!) SPORTS are meaningless?! :P
Of course not. You just gave a presentation on football: It's an interesting and exciting way to understand teamwork, strategy, analysis, quick thinking, creative thinking, and of course if you play, it's exercise as well. Silly Erachet.
ReplyDeleteSorry Ezzie, but that sounds like self-justification talking. Plenty of professionals who think that the myriad of televised sports shows, football included, encourage passivity instead of activity. and that they are no substitute for getting out and being active yourself. Observing teamwork is not the same as learning how that teamwork functions because you are personally part of a team. And as one who would far rather watch a history show or a science show on television, I personally see no value in something others call a sport and that I see as a legalized excuse to knock the dickens out of each other. Grown men chasing a little pigskin ball around a field and getting paid megabucks for doing it.
ReplyDeleteWhich should illustrate, I hope, that making a blanket statement that "most of secular culture is meaningless even within itself" should be clearly marked as an opinion rather than a truth statement. What you find of value in popular culture I don't, and I imagine that the reverse might be true as well. Opinion is not truth nor fact. Beware "most" or "all" statements.
Sigh...
ReplyDeleteAnd as one who would far rather watch a history show or a science show on television, I personally see no value in something others call a sport and that I see as a legalized excuse to knock the dickens out of each other. Grown men chasing a little pigskin ball around a field and getting paid megabucks for doing it.
ReplyDeleteNow wait a minute! That's not ALL football is about! You just don't understand it.
BUT.
Perhaps the real issue is, people very easily dismiss things they don't understand as "unimportant."
There is a right choice. Watching pornography discourages meaningful relationships and objectifies one's partner.
ReplyDeleteMany of the women involved in making pornography are victimized.
Supporting something like that is wrong.
When it comes to regular tv, the lines are much fuzzier, I'll admit. I think that much of popular television has at least some value - certainly if it opens the floor for discussion.
a legalized excuse to knock the dickens out of each other.
ReplyDeleteRight!...so where did we lose you?