tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post77975871553913331..comments2024-03-02T03:29:09.759-05:00Comments on SerandEz and Friends: R' Kanievsky Refuses Bracha to Traffic OffenderEzziehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-32388750784782777572009-07-24T02:55:57.360-04:002009-07-24T02:55:57.360-04:00Daganev,
If you're pulled over and don't...Daganev, <br /><br />If you're pulled over and don't have your license with you the cop can demand identification. He then calls dispatch, and if dispatch checks the computer and finds you have a license, then depending on what state you're in, you get a warning or cited for an infraction (which means a fine instead of jail) of not having your license with you. That's a lot less serious than driving without being licensed. In many states that can result in jail time or probation, and the cop isn't going to give you a warning for it.<br /><br />Agree that the Rabbi was right not to give him a brochoh, but driving without a license isn't the same as being a murderer<br /><br />Ichabod ChrainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-67106308362192817772009-07-23T20:41:12.052-04:002009-07-23T20:41:12.052-04:00"a person one believes is closer to God than ..."a person one believes is closer to God than one's self..." we don't have such a notion in judaism - you must belong to another faith. yes, it was my rebbe (the rav) who said such ideas were kishuf... it's no different than asking for a bracha for a race-horse or a sports team. that's sorcery.Tzvee Zahavyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15833902273722124103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-57270695504104462902009-07-23T16:28:22.549-04:002009-07-23T16:28:22.549-04:00"Your analogy is also horrible. Dangerous dri..."Your analogy is also horrible. Dangerous driving can actually kill people."<br /><br />And people who wear little clothing can actually become naked.<br /><br />Did you know that even safe driving can kill a person? Did you know that most people who kill others with vehicles actually have driver's licenses?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07734119986215975565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-25297118269988223122009-07-22T20:45:50.272-04:002009-07-22T20:45:50.272-04:00Ariella - Heh.
Neil - :)
Serach - Follow the lin...Ariella - Heh.<br /><br />Neil - :)<br /><br />Serach - Follow the link on Jameel's.<br /><br />Daganev - The normal way of certifying whether someone is qualified to drive is by getting a license. This is pretty clearly what he means. If someone is pulled over and doesn't have their license on them, yes, they get a ticket, but they can often get (at least some of) it removed by sending in a copy of their license. That's a far cry from a kid who doesn't have one at all (as is implicit here) and who *crashed into a wall*!<br /><br />Your analogy is also horrible. Dangerous driving can actually kill people.Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-20619386283517580842009-07-22T20:38:19.200-04:002009-07-22T20:38:19.200-04:00I'm a bit surprised by people's reactions....I'm a bit surprised by people's reactions.<br /><br />Seriously?<br /><br />Driving without a license is the same as killing a person?<br /><br />If you happen to leave your driver's license at home, its enough reason to go to jail for murder?<br /><br />If this conversation was written slightly differently, and someone came to ask for a bracha on a date, and he told the Rabbi that she will be wearing short sleeve shirt, and the rabbi responded that it was the same that she should be naked; would you be applauding the conversation or talking about how crazy such people are?<br /><br />YD, why would most people have the same reaction?Daganevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08022014644525719560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-55182318856207649272009-07-22T19:06:25.366-04:002009-07-22T19:06:25.366-04:00any confirmation or proof this really happened?any confirmation or proof this really happened?Serachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03143785332810460759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-86576189554735376422009-07-22T14:47:42.043-04:002009-07-22T14:47:42.043-04:00This story rocked!!!This story rocked!!!Neil Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12797772082427806345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-27278997167548302742009-07-22T14:04:13.580-04:002009-07-22T14:04:13.580-04:00The next step for the bachur would be to collect b...The next step for the bachur would be to collect bail money and call it "pidyon shvuyim."<br /><br />I agree with you Ezzie, the rabbi deserves full credit.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-79676560389673321262009-07-22T12:45:54.856-04:002009-07-22T12:45:54.856-04:00Tzvee - What anon said.
YD - While that's tru...Tzvee - What anon said.<br /><br />YD - While that's true, it's more of a comment on a couple of other points: That he cared enough to check what the trial was about rather than an automatic "may you succeed", as brachos often seem to be, and that he didn't merely give a shmooze but still wish the bachur success, but actually refused to do so and called him out.<br /><br />Not to mention, doing what everyone else would do can still be gadlus.Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-67111184939736510362009-07-22T12:36:02.487-04:002009-07-22T12:36:02.487-04:00Why is that gadlus? I, and I assume most other peo...Why is that gadlus? I, and I assume most other people, would have had the same reaction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-30283279721201123452009-07-22T11:33:27.821-04:002009-07-22T11:33:27.821-04:00I believe kishuf would only be when using kochos h...I believe kishuf would only be when using kochos hatumah. Asking for a bracha is just using koach hatefillah, albeit of a person one believes is closer to God than one's self. Although if you hold that teffilah is a form of kishuf... then I suppose you are right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1864971432432097722009-07-22T11:25:40.946-04:002009-07-22T11:25:40.946-04:00Kidding right? The idea that a Rabbi can give a be...Kidding right? The idea that a Rabbi can give a beracha for success at at trial is kishuf. The rabbis answer alleged here is nonsensical. It's boggling my mind that you reproduce this without pointing out those factors.Tzvee Zahavyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15833902273722124103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-33713041212014128442009-07-22T10:10:13.251-04:002009-07-22T10:10:13.251-04:00Cool!Cool!AShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05802355878284709939noreply@blogger.com