tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post6715262207751208374..comments2024-03-02T03:29:09.759-05:00Comments on SerandEz and Friends: Addressing Abuse in Our CommunityEzziehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-63776107531892793102011-01-28T08:06:03.924-05:002011-01-28T08:06:03.924-05:00Just read this post - I have to agree with Little ...Just read this post - I have to agree with Little Sheep, the main thing that was missing and was not adressed is when the abuse happens within the home, parent or siblings. We really must do a better job in the frum community of educating our children on abuse, and I am happy to see that people are at least starting to address this in public settings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-26891810854542105092011-01-17T18:21:11.512-05:002011-01-17T18:21:11.512-05:00HH - Perhaps if schools etc. would follow good, re...HH - Perhaps if schools etc. would follow good, reasonable sets of guidelines there would be less confusion and less misunderstood stories.<br /><br />It's definitely an interesting article with a lot of sad aspects, especially for someone like me who is a rare father picking up his kids from school most of the time. <br /><br />I'd say that in the frum community at least, though, I'd rather start by erring on the side of caution and worry about overreactions later.Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-12735420603438549382011-01-17T18:16:29.456-05:002011-01-17T18:16:29.456-05:00little sheep, you made yourself clear. That is act...little sheep, you made yourself clear. That is actually the point of the article. That we have made society used to first being suspicious of every "I was touched.." story, when in reality it may well just be nothing at all. And obviously, if we constantly teach our kids about not letting anyone touch ever, then of course they would come with those stories. <br /><br />I don't know if I agree with that article, but its still an interesting perspective on how we look at things now.Holy Hyraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704030181702087485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-58053630756417785232011-01-17T17:38:03.914-05:002011-01-17T17:38:03.914-05:00Holy Hyrax, I didn't read the whole article yo...Holy Hyrax, I didn't read the whole article you linked to, but I think the point in not allowing anyone to take a child to the bathroom alone is for the safety of EVERYONE involved, adult and child. Many schools and camps have this policy in place. This is so that if a kid comes home and says "______ touched me", there is always someone else who can clarify.<br /><br />(I'm on very little sleep, so I'm probably not making much sense, if someone else can expand and clarify this, it would be helful)little sheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01002942154389258717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-9782523846401087422011-01-17T17:30:20.148-05:002011-01-17T17:30:20.148-05:00>No male staff member is to take children to ba...>No male staff member is to take children to bathroom alone – always need a 2nd staff member present (advisable for female staff as well)<br /><br />this reminds me of this:<br /><br />http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703779704576073752925629440.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTopHoly Hyraxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17704030181702087485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-85117052809447015802011-01-17T17:21:46.715-05:002011-01-17T17:21:46.715-05:00Are there programs for educators and other people ...Are there programs for educators and other people who work with kids about this stuff and what to look for, how to talk to kids about it, what to do if you suspect anything, etc.? I know there's a lot of talk in schools and workshops about bullying and what to do about bullies, but this is different.Erachethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17564623864935448290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-83751332037817115062011-01-17T16:40:24.666-05:002011-01-17T16:40:24.666-05:00I don't believe so (I received it two months a...I don't believe so (I received it two months ago, but didn't post until now). <br /><br />Please send the recording to me, I'd be interested in hearing it!Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-66696019441244218792011-01-17T16:37:36.970-05:002011-01-17T16:37:36.970-05:00Ezzie, is this based on speeches from the even in ...Ezzie, is this based on speeches from the even in Queens earlier this month?<br /><br />Also, I have a recording of it that was emailed to me, if anyone is interested in hearing it, they can email me and I'll forward them the link.little sheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01002942154389258717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-34743117030164211882011-01-17T16:33:43.953-05:002011-01-17T16:33:43.953-05:00Little Sheep - I don't know if it was original...Little Sheep - I don't know if it was originally intended as a public guide; it was simply forwarded around by a friend and I asked about posting.<br /><br />Agreed on the parents issue and that it needs to come from multiple sources - perhaps having a group of qualified individuals (including doctors with whom the kids are familiar with) present to young children in a school setting would help.<br /><br />The hardest abuse to catch or stop would seem to be by parents and/or siblings, because they are able to teach ideas that fit with what they do and also will always have access to private time. :(Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-56796299665020980332011-01-17T16:27:44.494-05:002011-01-17T16:27:44.494-05:00Wow, thanks for posting that! I think it could hav...Wow, thanks for posting that! I think it could have been written more clearly, however.<br /><br />One point that either I missed when reading this, or should be added: while it is quite controversial outside of the survivor community, most of us agree that the education CAN NOT come only from the home, or only from the doctor! We need to have a real team of people teaching our children how to keep safe, and NO ONE should be assuming that someone else taught/will teach any given child about issues surrounding abuse. As educators, you must remember that there will be times when it's the child's parent(s) who are abusing, and where will the child turn in that case? How will the child know to turn to anyone if we leave it up to the parents to educate?little sheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01002942154389258717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-62125458583891372492011-01-17T11:08:31.489-05:002011-01-17T11:08:31.489-05:00I'd rather they err on the side of caution on ...I'd rather they err on the side of caution on this, personally, but a) I don't believe it says constant supervision - just that there should be checking in every once in a while and it should be random and b) I'm guessing it was written more for NY/NJ where it's not as open area as most places.Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-17386327821260220292011-01-17T06:09:38.259-05:002011-01-17T06:09:38.259-05:00Some of these ideas are wonderful, but some are ov...Some of these ideas are wonderful, but some are overblown. Windows and open doors in schools yes, constant supervision of kids no.<br />"Kids don’t panic or become fearful unless you convey high levels of anxiety."<br />That list gave me high levels of anxiety.mother in israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13715046177293916034noreply@blogger.com