tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post5156910747664229993..comments2024-03-02T03:29:09.759-05:00Comments on SerandEz and Friends: Honesty and the Jewish Community VIII: Quotable InterjectionEzziehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-54663057596210502582011-07-20T15:24:31.744-04:002011-07-20T15:24:31.744-04:00And what of the Rabbis of their communities? Have ...And what of the Rabbis of their communities? Have they shame or honor? Aren't they somehow complicit in these scams as well? By taking their "Tzedakah" even after finding out that the money is tainted? These "rabbis" should be shunned as well as far as I am concerned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-20285361360890273802011-07-20T14:36:04.182-04:002011-07-20T14:36:04.182-04:00people don't stop to think that not"steal...people don't stop to think that not"stealing"- in any form is one of the 10 commandments!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-35828272360304551952011-07-20T12:53:42.560-04:002011-07-20T12:53:42.560-04:00Anon1 - I think that actually was reasonably aprop...Anon1 - I think that actually was reasonably apropos, though openly living with another person would be a trickier situation (i.e. similar to an open flaunting of other things).<br /><br />Anon2 - They often are. Some directly benefit from inside tips and the like, others play a (minor) role in the scam itself.Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-77496045524854224612011-07-20T11:57:59.675-04:002011-07-20T11:57:59.675-04:00Any Jew who takes exception, and on principle yet ...Any Jew who takes exception, and on principle yet (i.e., not as a temporary concession to his yetzer hara or weakness), to a Torah prohibition applicable now to him can't be called Orthodox.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-76622985432893462282011-07-20T10:57:00.650-04:002011-07-20T10:57:00.650-04:00Ezzie well said!! It seems to me that the defender...Ezzie well said!! It seems to me that the defenders of these scam artists are somehow complicit and probably profited from the various scams.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-46549604225585122992011-07-20T09:47:22.412-04:002011-07-20T09:47:22.412-04:00In a way, this discussion reminds me of another ho...In a way, this discussion reminds me of another hot-button issue in the Orthodox world: homosexuality. Leaving aside the other major points at issue, the thing that might be hardest to grapple with is how to handle someone who is otherwise frum, but openly admits/embraces a specific sin. Let me be clear: this is not to cast judgment on anyone. We all have our struggles. I think what separates homosexuality in this regard is that there is a struggle for acceptance. One of the things that's changed recently, for better and worse, is that people now don't necessarily see being frum and being gay as mutually exclusive. My sense is there are a lot more people coming out and staying otherwise frum than there were even a few years ago.<br /><br />What's the connection to this? The concept of "as long as... it makes no difference" can be applied to that argument. We as a community can struggle with how to handle an openly gay couple living an otherwise frum life, but at the end of the day, their sin should have no bearing on anything else. But when it comes to money, and taking illegally or immorally from one place and giving, even charity, to another, is nothing but a <i>mitzva haba'ah ba'aveira.</i> People ask if they'd be comfortable if their kid had a classmate with gay parents. Personally I'd be more concerned if my kid had a classmate whose father was a known crook and was giving money to the school. (Caveat: not an indefinite punishment - I mean when it's "known" that the money being used was achieved through illegal/unethical means, and no restitution was made for the crimes.)<br /><br />I don't have a problem when religious leaders or institutions take money from people that have certain actions on their resume that might call their character into judgment. No, giving money to charity won't make people forget the past action, but they are separate and distinct from each other. Religious people or institutions who take money from people while knowing that the money is seriously problematic - they should be ashamed of themselves.Anon1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-43894393582221247642011-07-20T05:52:34.471-04:002011-07-20T05:52:34.471-04:00Nice article, thanks for the information.Nice article, thanks for the information.rental mobilhttp://griyamobilkita.webs.comnoreply@blogger.com