tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post116551291863699530..comments2024-03-02T03:29:09.759-05:00Comments on SerandEz and Friends: Religious TestEzziehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165999231488177622006-12-13T03:40:00.000-05:002006-12-13T03:40:00.000-05:00Charlie Hall: If Jewish women demanded a change in...Charlie Hall: <BR/>If Jewish women demanded a change in the gym's dress code, or a wall between the men's and women's areas, I think they'd be told to go start their own gym. (Except maybe in NYC, where Jews are a significant market and financially worth catering to.) But judging from the article, these Muslim women aren't satisfied with saying, "Change the policy or we'll go elsewhere." They insist "Change the policy or else!"Kiwi the Geekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13656977260755719619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165778275644627542006-12-10T14:17:00.000-05:002006-12-10T14:17:00.000-05:00Ezzie, Interesting how few people actually read th...Ezzie, <BR/><BR/>Interesting how few people actually read the article. I think the author of the article is way out of line:<BR/><BR/>"how far will the requests go before non-Jewish (redacted) women are subservient to the whims and demands of Orthodox Jews (redacted)?....Jewish (redacted) charges of victimization and discrimination have already paved the way for a variety of special treatment and dispensations."Charlie Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667135360784254574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165549339801116672006-12-07T22:42:00.000-05:002006-12-07T22:42:00.000-05:00like other commenters have said: why would you dav...like other commenters have said: why would you daven in a locker room in the first place, nevermind blocking a locker?! that just seems like a completely innapropriate place for tefila.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165545296149749252006-12-07T21:34:00.000-05:002006-12-07T21:34:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165542283856399812006-12-07T20:44:00.000-05:002006-12-07T20:44:00.000-05:00I like it. The [redacted] family. Life with the ...I like it. The [redacted] family. Life with the [Redacted]'s. This can go places. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165540808123470422006-12-07T20:20:00.000-05:002006-12-07T20:20:00.000-05:00Mr. [redacted] was probably on an elal flight at t...Mr. [redacted] was probably on an elal flight at that same moment, swaying piously in the aisle as a stewardess tries to get by with a meal cart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165539215979933212006-12-07T19:53:00.000-05:002006-12-07T19:53:00.000-05:00HH, I would have the very same reaction no matter ...HH, I would have the very same reaction no matter whose religiosity it is. The locker room is not her house of prayer and nobody has to wait for her to finish anything to get to their locker. This woman sounds like a total nut to me. I have a hard time believing that any sane person would seriously block a person's locker to daven much less "lodge a complaint" in this case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165523748405627142006-12-07T15:35:00.000-05:002006-12-07T15:35:00.000-05:00Well I hope you all realize that this story is jus...Well I hope you all realize that this story is just a rehashed version of the real incident that actually happened with a muslim womanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165523101818588742006-12-07T15:25:00.000-05:002006-12-07T15:25:00.000-05:00This Chana [Redacted] made a MAJOR chillul Hashem ...This Chana [Redacted] made a MAJOR chillul Hashem and owes all of us an apology. It's people like her that make it harder for people like me to wear a yarmulke to work.<BR/><BR/>Praying in a locker room? Sounds like a nut job to begin with. Unfortunately she's portraying herself as representative of Orthodox Judaism. Now we're all nut jobs.PsychoToddlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00874353280798371891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165522944340303432006-12-07T15:22:00.000-05:002006-12-07T15:22:00.000-05:00Great post, Ezzie. :)Great post, Ezzie. :)SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18085726186055340423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165522447470108702006-12-07T15:14:00.000-05:002006-12-07T15:14:00.000-05:00Society has become a bunch of pansies. Getting the...Society has become a bunch of pansies. Getting their feelings hurt right and left, which I think is BS, its all just a way for them to get some money out of the owners. It has turned into a sort of instinct in man today. People automattically get offended a lodge a complaint and sue, thinking that monetary compensation will make everything better. Sounds like another Michael Richards case to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165521556030106872006-12-07T14:59:00.000-05:002006-12-07T14:59:00.000-05:00Chilul Hashem. Some people forget that we live in ...Chilul Hashem. Some people forget that we live in America, we should be thankful that we have freedom of religion. However, that does NOT mean we should force other people to inconvenience themselves for our relgion. That lawsuit is obsurd and I think a Frum lawyer should defend the gym. Obviously the the Gym will be granted a motion to dismiss based on the stupidity.dgesqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10605190267231849461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165519487341844802006-12-07T14:24:00.000-05:002006-12-07T14:24:00.000-05:00I think she should talk with her Rabbi about prope...I think she should talk with her Rabbi about proper places to daven. Perhaps she was trying to cause a stink for her own reasons?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165518283913194562006-12-07T14:04:00.000-05:002006-12-07T14:04:00.000-05:00JA - I see what you mean. Okay, it's a 1st Amendme...JA - I see what you mean. Okay, it's a 1st Amendment claim which would get chucked quickly. :)Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165517964038669312006-12-07T13:59:00.000-05:002006-12-07T13:59:00.000-05:00Aha, now we are talking about my neighborhood. She...Aha, now we are talking about my neighborhood. She should have moved from her locker.<BR/><BR/>I don't have a problem with people praying in public, but they need to be sensitive to those around them too.Jack Steinerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16625864271071630940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165517912894320642006-12-07T13:58:00.000-05:002006-12-07T13:58:00.000-05:00ezzie:Whether you agree or not, it's a First Amend...ezzie:<BR/><BR/>Whether you agree or not, it's a First Amendment claim, not a not-being-sensitive claim.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165517467533733032006-12-07T13:51:00.000-05:002006-12-07T13:51:00.000-05:00JA - No, it isn't. But I think we've had this deba...JA - No, it isn't. But I think we've had this debate before. (And the Court agrees with me! :) )Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165516343072490192006-12-07T13:32:00.000-05:002006-12-07T13:32:00.000-05:00Ezzie:The problem with the Ten Commandments in the...Ezzie:<BR/><BR/>The problem with the Ten Commandments in the courtroom is not that it offends people. It's a First Amendment issue.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165515950770850942006-12-07T13:25:00.000-05:002006-12-07T13:25:00.000-05:00I totally think the woman davening was wrong here....I totally think the woman davening was wrong here. If I have to daven in public, I pick a place where I'm not likely to be in anyone's way - that just makes common sense if I don't want to be interrupted. And I'm not really sure what she expected the gym to do about it - kick the other member out for trying to get into her own locker? Come on, it's important for us to be respectful of others as well, especially if we expect the same in return.Shoshanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07365142117481675663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165514330612476582006-12-07T12:58:00.000-05:002006-12-07T12:58:00.000-05:00JA - Another interesting point. I have to agree wi...JA - Another interesting point. I have to agree with you, though we've seen many cases where people claim that their sensitivities are offended (last year's Ten Commandments in the courtroom case comes to mind). OTOH, the Circuit Court there laughed at the ACLU and said that a reasonable person would not have a problem, and agreed with your statement.Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165514215213616822006-12-07T12:56:00.001-05:002006-12-07T12:56:00.001-05:00Ploney - Probably. And ;)Scraps - Exactly.LT - I w...Ploney - Probably. And ;)<BR/><BR/>Scraps - Exactly.<BR/><BR/>LT - I would have to agree...Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165514209515730332006-12-07T12:56:00.000-05:002006-12-07T12:56:00.000-05:00I'm all for civil rights, but since when do rights...I'm all for civil rights, but since when do rights include the right to have other people be sensitive and concerned? It's not like they forbade her from praying on the premises -- they didn't even forbid her from praying in front of the locker! They simply didn't appear upset enough for Chana's liking.Jewish Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04616617537150446818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165514025814826432006-12-07T12:53:00.000-05:002006-12-07T12:53:00.000-05:00What do you expect? You set up camp in front of s...What do you expect? You set up camp in front of someone else's locker, showing no respect for their space and then expect them to respect you and your space? If I begin to <I>daven</I> in a door way, can I justifiably expect no one else to enter or exit that room until I'm done? If I <I>daven</I> in front of someone's car, can I trap them and prevent them from leaving?<BR/><BR/>Not only do I think the fault goes to the person who was praying, I think this whole incident is a <I>chillul hashem</I>. The club is correct. And I hope this doesn't create or contribute to a stereotype of observant Jews as inconsiderate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165513555409450752006-12-07T12:45:00.001-05:002006-12-07T12:45:00.001-05:00Ha, that answers my question.Ha, that answers my question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13326001.post-1165513500537839162006-12-07T12:45:00.000-05:002006-12-07T12:45:00.000-05:00I think that this is related to the type of behavi...I think that this is related to the type of behavior that I was talking about in my most recent post (thanks for the nod, by the way!). She should NOT have been davening in front of someone else's locker. I don't care if that person's locker was on top of/below her own locker, or next to it--she shouldn't have been blocking someone else's access to their storage space. She has NO right to complain about "humiliation" or any of that.Scrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15911315552965685448noreply@blogger.com